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Poster: Dan L. Date: Mar 27, 2008 5:56pm
Forum: movies Subject: I wonder if Fitna would be appropriate here

The controversial film from the Netherlands has found a host on liveleak.com. Since there has been so much jihadism and Islamic extremism here, I wonder if it would be appropriate to have Fitna on IA as an opposing point of view. Of course, it could be seen as inflammatory, but there have been 100s of amateur extremist videos here too. Too hot to handle? If so, what does it say about the state of freedom of expression in the western world? Even if I think Fitna is inflammatory, does watching it or encouraging others to look and think about it for themselves make me 'intolerant'. Does anyone care? Are religion and freedom incompatible? I don't know...I'm gonna take something for my headache and go to bed...or turn off my brain and watch a harmless sitcom...

Then again, the film-maker may not be looking for another host...



This post was modified by Dan L. on 2008-03-28 00:56:27

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Poster: guest4 Date: Sep 13, 2008 3:54am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: I wonder if Fitna would be appropriate here

The hypocrites here at Archive.org, which is the biggest host of Jihadi propaganda and recruitment garbage, have removed Fitna a few months ago. This happened within weeks after the files were uploaded, so this discussion is useless.


http://www.archive.org/details/Fitna

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Sep 13, 2008 6:39am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: I wonder if Fitna would be appropriate here

Again, to be clear: Any content that's just ripped from Liveleak belongs to them (check their TOS) and so would be removed. Same with content identified as being from Youtube or XM. The latter we see occasionally uploaded to the Live Music Archive, so here's an example FAQ for that similar case:
http://www.archive.org/about/faqs.php#209

Whether the content is Fitna or somebody setting themselves on fire with a flaming shot, if it were from Liveleak it would be removed.

A non-Liveleak-sourced copy of Fitna sent by Wilders to here would presumably remain in the Archive.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Sep 13, 2008 7:30am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: I wonder if Fitna would be appropriate here

to guest4...always an F'n conspiracy happenin in your pea brain. moron.

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Poster: guest4 Date: Sep 13, 2008 8:45am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: I wonder if Fitna would be appropriate here

What a great contribution, you coward.
Conspiracy? You're the brains of the operation, are you?

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Sep 13, 2008 9:10am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: I wonder if Fitna would be appropriate here

No, that would be Direwolf but he is not here right now, if you'd like to leave a message, I can pass it on.

Wink wink, nod nod, know what I mean?

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Aug 14, 2008 5:28am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: I wonder if Fitna would be appropriate here

I think there's at least one copy lying around here somewhere by now. Note, a couple user uploads taken from liveleak were removed, given liveleak's TOS about content use. But if that Dutch guy wanted to send in or authorize some other copy for here, I expect it'd be just as welcome here as anything else of its ilk.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Aug 14, 2008 9:42am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: I wonder if Fitna would be appropriate here

The filmaker will be dead soon anyway from a fatwah but I don't think it's graphic enough to rank with the extremist propaganda on here already. Critical cinematic discussion is no match for chopping heads off when it comes to shock value and raw recruiting power. The flick is actually tame in comparison and I was a little underwhelmed by it myself.

I think it's funny that someone would ask about posting it when thousands of videos showing decapitations, calls for murder and genocide, instructional guides on lockpicking, bomb building and other fun stuff are dumped here in the name of freedom of speech. The ironic part is it is defended on the very grounds of progressive thought which would be the first casualty in the video posters ultimate plans for submission to an alien power from the sky. Like we really need to overcome dogma and ignorance twice in one millenium.

Maybe there really is a fundamental difference between civilized, rational, modern people and superstitious, hateful bigots... I just can't tell from the media and social climate which group we are supposed to be, though it should be obvious. Oh well, at least there are hallucinagens...

Someday people will look back at us and say "thanks a lot, assholes".

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Aug 14, 2008 11:27am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: I wonder if Fitna would be appropriate here

I don't think it's graphic enough to rank with the extremist propaganda on here already

Graphic or not, it's got the same underlying human hate, just from a different side. So it ranks.

But I'm ashamed to say that Fitna is likewise "tame" to me after the things I've seen here. :(

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2008-08-14 18:27:31

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Sep 13, 2008 8:46am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: I wonder if Fitna would be appropriate here

Just curious, you really think THAT movie was hateful? It just shows terrorists doing what they do and last I checked it wasn't donating to tsunami relief or adopting children or selling girl scout cookies.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Sep 13, 2008 1:27pm
Forum: movies Subject: Re: I wonder if Fitna would be appropriate here

The message I drew from the piece was that more than terrorists being evil, it's the Qu'ran itself that's evil. That's pretty hateful toward non-terrorist Moslems (the larger portion of that faith) AFAIK.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Sep 14, 2008 3:17pm
Forum: movies Subject: Re: I wonder if Fitna would be appropriate here

Well I think any book from any relgion that justifies murder of innocent life is evil. If anyone can show me where the jews or the christians or the hindus are doing anything close to what the jihadi's are, I'll rest my case on this one. I don't see the author threatening to kill anyone, for instance.

And not to stir up trouble, but I never saw any outcry or animosity towards the other extreme coming from you, so I just thought it was odd that someone could see the lesser of two alledged evils as equal or even close. To each their own I suppose.

Peace out

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Sep 14, 2008 7:06pm
Forum: movies Subject: Re: I wonder if Fitna would be appropriate here

but I never saw any outcry or animosity towards the other extreme coming from you

It's true, I don't make my utter and daily repulsion public on a message board. Heck, they all have my email after all, as y'all know. :P